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Sounds True.com, guest is Gretchen Rubin.

Gretchen Rubin is the author of several books including The Blockbuster New York Times Best

Sellers Better Than Before and the happiness project. In better than before,

mastering the habits of our everyday lives, she provides surprising insights and

practical advice drawn from cutting-edge research,

ancient wisdom, and her own observations.

She's also the author of the new book, The Four Tendencies,

the indispensable personality profiles

that reveal how to make your life better

and other people's lives better too.

In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Gretchen and I spoke about

the four tendencies and how to uncover whether you're an upholder, a rebel, a questioner, or an obliger, and the gifts and challenges that

each type faces, especially when it comes to changing habits.

We talked about the surprising importance of uncluttering our physical spaces.

And how do we get started when we know there's a habit in our life that we need to change?

Here's my conversation with the very practical upholder, Gretchen Rubin. Gretchen, I'm really excited to be talking with you because here at Sounds True, we're committed and we have been for several

decades to supporting people when it comes to personal transformation and yet I still have a lot of questions about

the process itself and why it seems so hard for people to make certain changes in their life and different

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