Flying Coach podcast Steve Kerr Pete Carroll and our special guest today somebody who would normally be introduced with a whole kinds of accolades attached to his name but I know him too well.

So I'm going to I'm going to cut the BS Greg pop of it. Thanks for coming on today. Thank you for that Steve. Appreciate it very much.

That's not much of an introduction Steve, but that's great on it's perfect. Obviously you guys got history. I have to be honest. I you know I played for pop for four years Pete and and coached with him last summer in the World Cup.

I've never felt as nervous as I was today. I think I now understand the sideline reporters and what they actually feel as they go into NBA games like knowing they got interview pop at the end of the first quarter. I'm kind of I'm kind of antsy a little bit.

You know, that's just a stick right.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, we'll talk about that at another time. Obviously very, very difficult week in our country.

And I think more than anything today, I just want to have a really open conversation with with two coaches who have meant a lot to me in terms of mentoring and who I've learned so much from.

And who are also really well connected to their players through relationships. And I just want to have a conversation on what's happening in the country race relations where we're heading.

How we can actually create change in our country and maybe what our places what our small places in that big picture.

And I think I'll start out pop by just kind of asking you your feelings, your thoughts on the last week or two.

That's a that is the starting point and trying to figure out exactly how to think about this.

What it means how did it happen? How did we get here? What are what are the reasons? What did we miss? And all of a sudden we have another killing.

So for my part is personally as a as a white person. One who has obviously participated in the privilege that we have.

And I think you know, a lot of people's situations are a privilege that they did not even know they had.

It's sort of like your just will sound a little bit hyperbolic possibly to some but it's like we were born with innate white supremacy.

Because we were born white. And as Tony and E.C. Code says, there's no such thing as white.

You have to try to live your life like you're not white. It's very confusing to most of us.

But if you were born white, you have a view of the world that does put you in a class of white supremacy.

Whether you wield that power negatively or not is beside the point. And most of us don't realize that as we're growing up.

It's not something that's in your face. Just like every community, Jewish community, black community,

so on and so forth is not monolithic. Neither is white supremacy. I don't think I'm ever going to wield a Confederate flag or a Nazi symbol or where a Ku Klux Klan hood.

But that's one extreme of white supremacy. There are all sorts of levels.

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