This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.

Alright guys, Dave got a special guest on the podcast. His name is Greg Hurwitz. So he is a

novelist screenwriter and comic book writer. And he is the number one New York Times bestselling author

of 23 thrillers. If not 24 by now, which includes the wildly popular orphan X series. And today

we're going to be talking about his newest title in that series. It's the last orphan, which

guys, if you were listening to this right now, it is out right now. You can pick it up wherever you

want to go. And the thing about this that I found very, very interesting is when you're preparing

an interview, you're, you know, looking at their titles, you're looking at the stuff they produced,

you're looking at the stuff the publicists or the publishers sent you and you're trying to

piece all this stuff together. But you never really know exactly what you're going to get into.

But when he and I hopped on our recording software beforehand, we probably had 10, 15 minutes

of conversation before we hopped into the interview. And it really didn't have to do anything

with the work that he did. So of course, we're going to talk about the orphan X series and the

last orphan and whether or not it's going to be a television show or a movie at some point

down the line. But we talked a lot about his relationship with Jordan Peterson. He was actually

a student of Jordan Peterson's whenever Jordan Peterson was a professor at Harvard. And he was

studying at Harvard. So we talked a lot about that. But then we just talked about really, and this

is why I went to name the today's episode, the eternal power of story, because we went everywhere

in this conversation. And we went into some definitely some ethereal levels and some philosophical

areas where we talked about just the power of story and what that looks like in modernity.

Because this is a guy that probably aligns more so with the, the liberal side of things. He

talked about that. He's really high in trade openness. And I'm obviously more on the conservative

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