From the heart of Cascadia, and the edge of the world, you from that presence, Nitreft,

Jim Perry.

Good evening, I'm Jim Perry. Coming to you now from my home studio in the

hinterlands of the Oregon coast, broadcasting on 11.50am KKNW in Seattle and

streaming worldwide at Nitreft.com. You are listening to Nitreft, presented by

Euphamette. Filmmakers Ishawn Unison listed Greg Newkirk of Hellier as a producer for his

new film The Build Out. We chat with him both tonight about this very, very cool looking project,

then we dive headfirst into the high-strange. What has Greg been digging to into as of late?

This is sure to be a classic conversation, so thank you so much for listening tonight.

So what's new? Is everyone hanging in as light slowly returns to our evenings?

I've been handling this by isolating myself and reading more books.

For whatever reason the last few months, maybe you're the same, I haven't been able to

pay attention and just quiet things down and focus on myself and a part of that is reading.

And today I actually got a book that I've been meaning to get for a very long time.

It's Animal Speak by Ted Andrews. Now this book, if you've never heard about it before,

well maybe if you're a long-term, long-time listener of Euphamette, you have heard it as

Tim Rothschild has mentioned it over and over again. Every time I bring up an animal situation,

he's always saying, well, I don't know, I don't like don't ask me anymore what an owl means.

Get animal speak, man. So I finally got it. I'm beginning to read it.

So maybe if you have a question about animals at some point in time, I can know the answer

and then tell you also to get animal speak. I just won't even tell you the answer. No, I'm kidding.

I will tell you the answer or at least I'll tell you of an interpretation of a mystical

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