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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

The CIA and other agencies are seeing this activity by Russia.

They're responding to it and they're thinking, wow, this is much bigger deal than anything we've ever seen in an election,

or in any kind of endeavor in American life.

And then they're seeing Trump's behavior and they're worried that things could be much worse than even they are beginning to understand through all of this intelligence that's flowing.

It's really easy to understand, I think, in hindsight, why they were so pent-wide, John Brennan,

in August of 2016, holes up in the seventh floor in his office for two days,

just shuts the door and goes through all of the agencies in Telon, Russia,

and comes out of that sort of shaken and calls the White House and says,

I need to speak with the President immediately.

I'm Michaela Fogel and this is the LawFair podcast, January 12, 2019.

Last week, Jack Goldsmith got on the phone with Pulitzer Prize winning Washington Post journalist Greg Miller

to discuss Miller's new book, The Apprentice, Trump, Russia, and the Subversion of American Democracy.

Miller's book Chronicles Russia's Efforts to Interfear in the 2016 US presidential election

and the interactions among members of the Trump campaign, transition and administration

and officials and representatives of the Russian government. Goldsmith and Miller discussed how Miller approached writing the book,

the extraordinary series of apparent connections and contacts between Trump associates and the Russian government,

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