Greg Lukianoff: : The Canceling of the American Mind. Free Speech and Academia
The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss
Lawrence M. Krauss
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🗓️ 27 December 2023
⏱️ 118 minutes
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Summary
Greg Lukianoff is a First Amendment lawyer by training. During his education he began to see how, even among organizations ostensibly created to help protect free speech, how actual free speech was improperly being conflated with harassment or bullying. When he went to work as a legal director of the nascent Foundation for Individual Rights in Education in around 2000, he quickly discovered that in academia, the one place where free speech and open inquiry should be valued above all else, actual free speech was under attack. In the intervening two decades, during which he rose to become director of that Foundation, now renamed to encompass the fact that the attacks on free speech that began in academia have proliferated throughout our society, he has actively worked to fight these attacks. Beyond his legal work, he has become a prolific writer. His 2018 book, co-written with Jonathan Haidt, entitled The Coddling of the American Mind, was influential in encouraging debate and discussion regarding the origins of the victimization mentality that was becoming prevalent in Western Society.
I have been admirer of Greg’s for some time, and have wanted to have a dialogue with him on the podcast. This year, with Rikki Schlott, Greg published The Canelling of the American Mind: How Cancel Culture Undermines Trust, Destroys Institutions and Threatens us All, and it provided us the ideal opportunity to get together to discuss both his own personal experiences , and also the general concerns we both have about the issues that form the heart of the new book.
What followed was a fascinating conversation about issues we should all care about. Regular readers of Critical Mass and listeners to The Origins Podcast will be aware of some of the examples and concerns we discussed, but I expect will nevertheless be surprised by the ubiquitous infiltration of cancel culture ideas into our society. We actually begin by defining Cancel Culture, a term that has often been misused and misunderstood in the popular media, and then discuss a variety of examples, before closing with a brief discussion of the ways that we can possibly combat it to produce a more tolerant, democratic society, and to save higher education as well. I hope you are provoked, enlightened, and energized by the conversation.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, and welcome to the Origins Podcast. |
| 0:10.4 | I'm your host, Lawrence Krause. |
| 0:12.3 | Greg Lukinoff was trained as a First Amendment lawyer at Stanford, |
| 0:18.4 | and very shortly thereafter in, I think 2000, became the legal director of the newly |
| 0:25.9 | established Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, which was established to fight attacks on |
| 0:32.4 | free speech and academic freedom in academia, of which there are many. In 2006, he became director of that foundation, |
| 0:38.8 | and recently the foundation changed its name to the foundation |
| 0:41.6 | for individual rights and expression |
| 0:43.6 | because the attacks on free speech have become much more ubiquitous in society. |
| 0:48.3 | And Greg is a passionate advocate for free speech throughout our society |
| 0:52.5 | for many reasons, |
| 0:57.4 | and not only has fire, as it's called, |
| 1:00.5 | been involved in many court cases trying to protect free speech from both the right and the left. |
| 1:03.8 | Greg has also been a prolific author. |
| 1:05.7 | He wrote The Codling of the American Mind with Jonathan Haidt, |
| 1:08.6 | which was a best-selling book. |
| 1:10.1 | More recently, he's written, along with Ricky Schlaught, the canceling of the American mind. |
| 1:15.6 | And I thought that would be a great opportunity to have a long discussion with Greg |
| 1:20.6 | about issues of free speech and academia and society more generally, what the problems are and what we might do about them. |
| 1:26.6 | It's a sobering discussion, and I think many people who are not aware of how insidious the |
| 1:32.1 | attacks on free speech have been, especially how chilling it is for higher education, |
| 1:37.2 | which has really been transformed and, and many people say almost destroyed by the fear that |
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