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Greg Lukianoff is one of the country's most prominent defenders of free speech.

He's a First Amendment

attorney who's built a reputation taking on high-profile cases that have challenged progressive

efforts to restrict speech on campus, but also conservative attempts to use government power

to limit expression. He's also been really candid about his own struggles with depression, which

led him to work with cognitive behavioral therapy. And his experience informed his concern about

how campus culture and emotional reasoning can affect the thinking of young people.

Lukianov's work with the social psychologist Jonathan Haidt also explored these issues.

They co-authored the book, The Codling of the American Mind, where they examined the effects

of safetyism and tribalism on college campuses.

And they argued that trying to shield students from ideas and words they find uncomfortable can

actually contribute to anxiety and can undermine resilience in open debate.

Weeks after the murder of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University, Lukianov was asked to speak

on the campus.

And he says he went because he wanted to be with the students, to find

a way to reaffirm the principles of free expression he'd always believed in. Still, he said he

was scared to go.

When I was invited to speak at UVU, I had mixed feelings about it.

One, I felt kind of a duty to go speak there, but also some trepidation.

Some amount of like, oh my god, someone got murdered there.

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