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Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show. Today's show is brought to you by the Brothers Caramazole. Not the book. The actual brothers themselves. They love Eric.

They want to support him so they decided to sponsor the show. Is that not amazing? And Dastoy Husky doesn't know what thing about it. And he invented them. Now your host Eric Mataxis.

It's an incredible. There's a lot of incredible stuff. If you listen to the show, a lot of incredible, confusing stuff, a lot of lawsuits now because I'm saying things I shouldn't say. But you know what? That's just what it is to be in show business. Greg Laurie, my friend. Welcome back. Eric, good to be with you. You are you're not in show. But I like your new studio. This is great.

I'm saying and look at this view. I know it's hard to believe that we need to get that cleaned up. Yeah, because that's the dirtiest window. It's really. Okay. Now, but we this studio. Obviously, these are the TBN studios that built the studio.

For rock and roll. And then when they couldn't get rock and roll acts to do it. They said Eric, would you do it? And so I said, sure, one of the worst songs ever recorded. We built this city on rock and roll.

There's a lot of it. Yes, I do. I certainly do. Do you remember who recorded it? No, I try to put that out of my mind. Huh? Okay, I said, okay, do you want me to tell you? We built this city on a Jefferson Starship. Okay. Yes. Wow. Is that like the worst thing they ever did? Yeah, because they, you know, Jefferson airplane had some good songs. Yeah, the airplane had good songs. Yes. Once they became the starship. I don't know. Okay. So, so we're talking about your book on Johnny Cash. Yes. And.

But many people don't know this when he was young, he had a real tragedy in his life. And that's in the book. Tell us about that. Johnny was lived in complete poverty with this family. There in Arkansas, Dias Arkansas. And he literally went out to the fields and picked cotton every day. That was their form of livelihood. He had a very austere harsh father, Ray Cash. And he had a brother, a name Jack that Johnny just loved and idolized and looked up to is though Ray was only a couple of years old.

Then Johnny, he was a real influence on Johnny's life. And Ray was a very godly young man. In fact, that a very good Jack, excuse me, forgive me, Jack. Jack was a very godly young man. And it actually aspired to be a preacher, memorize the scripture, always reading the Bible. And so they would often go fishing together and Ray would keep Johnny on this. I keep confusing these names. Jack would keep Johnny. Can we recut this whole thing? Never. Okay.

I'm still jet lagged from California. So Jack, his older brother would keep Johnny in the straight narrow. Well, one day they were going fishing. And instead of going with him, his brother went to a sawmill to make some extra money. And tragically, he was pulled into the saw and ripped him open. He died a few days later. Johnny was there in the room with his brother. Is he entered eternity? And it was devastating. And so Johnny's father Ray Cash actually said to Johnny after the day.

And then he said to Johnny, after the death of his son and Johnny's brother, God took the wrong son. So Johnny lived his whole life under that cloud of, yes, what? Yeah, he said that this is before Dr. Spock and Dr. Joyce brothers told us you don't say stuff like that kids. But seriously, when you hear something like that, you cannot believe that a father could say such a thing.

And then you have to have a fairness to Ray Cash and others who've said things like that. They simply didn't realize what a deep wound you can cause with a few words. But a lot of people have heard things like that from parents. And you have to forgive those parents, but it's not easy. Yeah. But this, but this young man. Johnny Cash, that really wounded him. It did. But Johnny had a very strong mother in his mom, Kerry. She was a very nurturing, loving Christian mother. And so she kind of.

You know, counterbalanced the words of Ray, because Ray wanted Johnny. He said, this is a waste of your time to pursue music. You'll never make money doing that. Why do you sit there listening to that radio? It's not real. Those are just recordings. It won't break. Take you anywhere. Well, famous last words. You know, Johnny went on having global fame as a result. But it's his mother that kept him going. But you know, his father was never all that impressed with him. And even in his adult years.

The father, you know, did not give many compliments to Johnny. And so, but that kind of formed his character. You know, sometimes in life hard things happen. We can't control the family we're born into. We can't control the circumstances. It's a come our way in life. But they do mold us into who we become sometimes or better other times for worse.

And that all played into this man. Johnny Cash, who was yes, a man's man. Kind of a tough guy. But he had a very tender heart. He wasn't artist. He wasn't musician. He was both. And so, you know, I think it helped him to become the man he became.

Well, I mean, it is a fascinating story. And he's such an iconic figure because he was as you say. And as Bono says on the back of the book here, he was the man's man. There was something about him. And I think all men that means something, you know, that what does that mean to be a man's man? And we all want to be that. It's just interesting to me. And I think that it's what made him so appealing because he was on the one hand.

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