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Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Greg Brockman (Part 2)

Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Rick Rubin

Arts, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 February 2026

⏱️ 107 minutes

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Returning to continue his conversation in Part Two, Greg Brockman is a cofounder and president of OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT. ------ Thank you to the sponsors that fuel our podcast and our team: AG1 https://DrinkAG1.com/tetra ------ Athletic Nicotine https://www.AthleticNicotine.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ LMNT Electrolytes https://DrinkLMNT.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Sign up to receive Tetragrammaton Transmissions https://www.tetragrammaton.com/join-newsletter

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0:00.0

Tetragrammaton

0:02.0

Tetragrammaton

0:03.0

The first website I ever built that got users was this amazing experience.

0:29.1

I had this idea to build what I call the reverse Turing test.

0:33.0

So in the Turing test to determine is a machine intelligent, you have a human who talks to another

0:39.6

human and talks to an AI.

0:41.0

And the goal is to figure out which of these are the human, which is the AI.

0:44.5

So I built a website that turned this into a competitive game where you have both humans

0:49.7

are talking to each other and they're each talking to an AI.

0:52.8

They don't know which terminals, which.

0:54.3

And the objective is to figure out which of your terminals is the other human before the

0:59.8

other human does.

1:01.3

And so the optimal strategy is to ask questions that kind of discern, am I talking to a human

1:05.8

or a bot, but while still acting kind of bot-like.

1:08.6

If you act to a human-like, then you'll lose because the other person will figure out who you are. Wow. This was 2008. And I just taught myself how to code. I'd gone online to W3 schools tutorials, did HTML JavaScript, P-HB, CSS. And I remember that I built this game, and it's a two-player game, so I was sitting in the lobby. So in case anyone showed up,

1:28.2

they'd have a good experience and have someone to play against.

1:30.1

Lobby, where?

1:30.8

I made it so that there was like a game lobby, just on my website. I see. So I just sit there, just waiting, waiting with this open screen, just sadly waiting for someone to show up. And for like two weeks, no one showed up. But then one day, it was the most glorious day, I got 1,500 hits from Stumble Upon.

1:45.2

Wow.

1:45.8

Yeah, if you remember Stumble Upon, it was the most glorious day I got 1,500 hits from Stumble

1:44.8

upon wow yeah if you remember stumble upon it was like an early like you know and send

1:49.1

people to random websites and it was an amazing moment where that day they were like always three or

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