Hi, this is Mark O'Connell and you're listening to That UFO Podcast.

A huge section of the public has just got a slice of the UFO topic that we maybe didn't expect.

Maybe not catastrophic disclosure, but cloistrophic disclosure with Chloe Kardashian hosting Stephen Greer on her

podcast that I didn't know she had but of course she has one quick take I don't know if

you've watched it I've only managed 15 minutes of it so far and good God. Yeah.

He's quite sickening on how I've never seen Stephen Greer on any media before.

And this may just be a me thing.

Praise someone as much as he does her in the first 15 minutes and he doesn't interrupt her.

And I remember he tells her how smart she is and what a great question she asks at one point.

And yeah, it's for me, you can, and I'm talking down about it because of the people involved.

And I pride myself in never having watched the Kardashians.

I think that's a badge of honor I wear.

But ultimately, is it a good thing for progress and

public perception to have someone with such a huge audience as Chloe Kardashian talking about UFOs

on her program? It's a good question. It's not an easy answer.

Yeah.

I think what I would say is we're still so much in the first inning that any attention

is good attention.

I think that's the easiest way to say it.

Because there's still so many people that don't even know about where we are in the current

dynamic.

And this is kind of why I've been doing a lot of the work that I do, which is what I call

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