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So the shooter had a laptop and a cell phone.

Good morning. It is 932. It is the Kendall and Casey show on 93 WIBC. Rob has the day off and Guy Ralford is here. All right.

Guy, this is this is your area. So let's talk about the Greenwood mall shooter. He had a cell phone cops were hoping it would lead to his motive. It didn't produce any.

And so I'm curious how often do we see manifestos or get answers and why I mean, I understand the curiosity, the desire to know.

Do we ever really get an answer in a situation like what happened at the Greenwood mall? Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Sometimes we do. And you know, we have had people leave behind manifestos. A lot of times they're rambling and somewhat incoherent, but at least you can decipher what was driving this person in the sense of, you know, where they are racist, where they are homophobic, you know, we're, were they a supporter of al Qaeda, you know, we saw that at the Pulse Nightclub shooting in Orlando.

Where he was, he was anti gay and he was also supposedly a follower of al Qaeda and did that in the name of al Qaeda. So there, there are some things there. Theoretically, if you, if law enforcement can identify a motive that that may help them look for other people with similar motives, it may help help them theoretically stop in another mass shooting in the in the future. I think it's more than anything for closure. I think just, you know, the community is curious.

The families, the victims are curious. You know, why did my loved one died? Why, why did this person kill my loved one? I mean, I would have an interest in knowing an answer to that question. If I were a member of the victims family, it's, I don't know if closures, the right word, but at least answering some of those otherwise unanswered questions has a value.

And what was going on and the reason there was just a press conference yesterday by Greenwood Police Chief James Eisen, who, by the way, is a, is an excellent cop and he's done an excellent job throughout a very difficult circumstance around this Greenwood Park mall shooting. And I really have a lot of respect for him and his deputy chief is also an outstanding individual and J Arnold is his name. And at any rate, the reason I had his press conference yesterday.

And the reason they had it five months after the shooting shooting was July 17th of this year. Well, what was going on? And you alluded to this as you open the story. And that is that they wanted to essentially announce the results, the conclusion of their investigation. And they couldn't do that without getting as much information as they possibly could both off the bad guys. And I don't use these guys names. I don't, the mass shooters. Yeah, no, I haven't said that after no to write. And this guy was, he was infatuated with mass shooting.

Because he was a student of mass shootings. I mean, that, that, that came out through the investigation and essentially going through the guy's social media post right that they found that he liked talking about tactics and motives and details of other mass shootings, exactly how many occurred in a gun free zone because you don't expect to get an on, you know, an armed resistance and a gun free zone. And what was interesting about his social media is he wasn't necessarily advocating, you know, a mass shooting. He wasn't, he wasn't expressing admiration.

For mass shooters. And that's why I never really tipped law enforcement off. He was just more or less a student of them who's also apparently infatuated with Nazi Germany. And he had, he had usernames and email addresses that talked about the greater third right and crazy stuff like that. But he wasn't so much advocating or expressing admiration. So it didn't tip off law enforcement. And anyway, the conclusion of the investigation, which was announced yesterday, it happened because they, they wanted to

draw the investigation to a close to a large degree. They also wanted to announce what they did or didn't get off the electronic devices of the bad guy, the shooter. And well, apparently he threw his cell phone in toilet. Yeah, the cell phone was in a toilet for an hour during the shooting and, and before, because this guy would sat in a bathroom for an hour in the greenwood park mall before he emerged from the bathroom and started shooting. They were able to dry out and start the cell phone. The laptop had been placed in a oven with a can of butane in the guys apartment.

And the oven heated up enough where the pew-tane exploded and it destroyed the hard drive. They couldn't get anything off the computer. But they did, they were able to, to dry out and start the phone, except it's an iPhone and right. And it's encrypted. They can't open it. And so there's like a million different.

A literally a million different combinations to open it up. It's hooked up to a program that randomly or sequentially feeds in these different combinations. But there's over a million potential combinations. And once you feed four wrong ones in, the phone is in.

The phone shuts down. So you got to restart the phone and start over. This can literally take two or three years. They finally said, look, it's gone on long enough. And it was a newer phone. They didn't think there was going to be that much on it. And they got so much information off his social media. They said, hey, let's announce the conclusion. Let's give some explanations if not closure to the families. And they also wanted to announce that even though my client Elijah Dick and used deadly force, right? And took the bad guy's life.

There would obviously not be any charges against him that not only was he acting lawfully under Indiana's self defense law that also includes the right to defend others. But also that he's a hero. And they work, they regularly praised him during the investigation. And they certainly did multiple times during the news conference yesterday at the Greenwood town center city center that he's a hero.

One point, one of the reporters there said, well, what do you say to the people of Greenwood? I mean, how, how can we feel safe when we go out in public or even go to the mall? You don't hear during Christmas shopping. And, and the chief said chief ice and said, I think something very poignant. He said, listen, he said these things can happen anywhere.

They're very rare events, but yes, it happened here. He said, you know, you can't walk around in fear. You have to live your life. And cops can't be everywhere at the same time. And then he said, you know, and sometimes what you really need isn't Elijah Dick and who's there who's willing to take heroic action to save lives. And that meant a lot to me that he said that.

Now, you, you spoke at the press conference and we're going to share that later in the show. But I wanted to mention the t-shirt that you're wearing right now. It says, says 15 seconds, be like Eli.

Yeah. Well, as the police have announced multiple times, the time from when the bad guy merged from the bathroom and started shooting, and he killed three innocent people. And I don't ever want to lose sight of the fact that, you know, when people are saying, wow, you know, Eli did this great job, which he did. And either Elijah hero and saved lives. Well, he did.

At the same time, I also want to acknowledge the three innocent people lost their lives that day. And we all ought to be cognizant of that and keep them in our, in our thoughts at the same time within 15 seconds after the shooting started.

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