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There is a deepening suspicion that politicians are out to serve themselves and not the country,

said David Cameron in 2010, adding that the culture of excessive lobbying and quiet words in Minister's ears

was threatening to do even more damage to the battered reputation of Parliament, and it was the next

big scandal waiting to happen.

Well, he was right. What he didn't seem to foresee is that he would be at the center of that

scandal. My guest today is the financial journalist Duncan Mavin. After reporting on the rise and

fall of Greensill capital for several years, Duncan has now written The Pyramid of Lies, a book of this extraordinary story.

I know the term is overused, but if anything ever deserved the title Exposay, This Does.

And he's here to talk to us about it.

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