Okay, we're live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show.

Of a very special guest, a returning guest, his name is Jeff Kinley, spelled K-I-N-L-E-Y.

We talked back in July about a book he published in April of 2021. Title of that book is Aftershocks.

Christians entering a new era of global crisis, very timely book. We're still

seem to be going through that crisis, but we're going to talk today about a book you wrote back

until 2016. The title of that, the shorter title, is Greater, the Brandon Bulls, Burlesworth

story, but the subtitle of that is the incredible true story of the greatest walk on in the history of college football.

So this is kind of going to be kind of a sports related story, but a very inspirational one though.

Jeff has also published 30 books.

His weekly vintage truth podcasts are heard in over 80 countries worldwide.

He's also a graduate of the University of Arkansas, which ties into the story, and the Dallas Theological Seminary. His website is jeffkinley.com. And for a list of the books that he's written, or some of them, I suggest you go back and listen to the interview we did about his book, Aftershocks. But again, this book is titled Greater, and we're going to talk about that.

So Jeff Kinley, welcome to the show.

William, great to be with you.

Awesome.

Well, thanks for agreeing to the interview.

For people who may not have heard our last show, can you talk about kind of the arc

of your publishing and your books and what led you to write this book, Greater?

Yeah, well, I began writing books back in the 90s i was a youth pastor had a church and began searching for bible study related

materials for my students and i really couldn't find anything that i thought was deep enough or

that really kind of met the need of helping them be disciples

for Christ. So I just started writing my own materials and at that time submitted those to a

publisher and that became my first series of books, discipleship books. And from there, I began to

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