Welcome back to Gray Matters, the podcast of the Seaborne and Gray Center for the study of the administrative state.

I'm Jason Linkton, the Gray Center's Policy and Strategy Director. Today we're joined by Tanner

Jones. He's CEO of Vulcan Technologies. We first met when he presented a paper at a Gray

Center roundtable about how states should think about the relationship between judicial

deference and legislative delegation. But now he's back for a completely different reason.

Tanner, welcome to Gray Matters.

Good to see you. Thanks for having me.

Of course.

So for our audience members who might not have heard of Vulcan Tech yet,

can you tell us at the 30,000 foot level what you do?

Yeah.

It's really AI for administrative law.

And then kind of a little more nuanced,

it's AI to replace the slow and expensive consultants who have traditionally been doing administrative legal work, both for the

government and for regulated industry. So is this a thing where Andrew Yang's going to come in where

we need a UBI for lawyers, not just truck drivers?

Maybe.

You know, that's funny.

I actually used to work for Andrew Yang back on a, I was on a 2020 presidential campaign.

Yeah.

Okay.

Before I got a little more libertarian-minded.

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