Welcome back to Gray Matters, the podcast of the Seaboard and Gray Center for the study of the administrative state.

I'm Jace Linton, the Gray Center's policy and strategy director. With me again today is Bennett Neuss, our research director.

Hi, Bennett.

Hi, Jase.

It's good to be back.

Glad you could join us.

We're also joined today by Chad Skwitieri.

Chad's a while professor at the Catholic University of America,

Director of the Separation of Powers Institute,

and managing director of the Center for the Constitution and the Catholic intellectual tradition.

And he's also a friend of the Gray Center.

His new paper, Congress and the mouth of the lawyer, is forthcoming in the Alabama Law Review.

I love a link to the SSRN version in the show notes.

Chad, welcome to Grey Matters. Thanks very much

for having me. I enjoy listening to your podcast, so it's a pleasure to be on. I'm glad you

made the time to do this. So before we get into the paper, how I'm kind of steal a line that you use on

your podcast. How did you get into studying administrative law and

separation of powers? Yeah, you know, that's a difficult question. I've oddly never really

thought about it. I suppose when I was in, you know, high school age, college age, I was really

interested in our American history and our nation's founders.

And so much of that was the structural components of our Constitution.

And I suppose I came up in an age where Justice Scalia was so influential on my legal

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