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Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

Grant-Lee Phillips

Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

Pushkin Industries

Music, Society & Culture

4.54.3K Ratings

🗓️ 10 February 2026

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Grant-Lee Phillips first made his name in the ‘90s as the frontman of Grant Lee Buffalo, a critically acclaimed band that released four albums and toured with Pearl Jam, the Smashing Pumpkins, and R.E.M. Rolling Stone named Grant-Lee "Best Male Vocalist" in 1994, and his band became known for their folk-infused rock sound and their reflections on American history.

After Grant Lee Buffalo disbanded in 1999, Phillips launched a solo career, eventually becoming familiar to a wider audience through his recurring role as the town troubadour on Gilmore Girls. Last September, he released his 12th solo album, In the Hour of Dust. The album's title was inspired by an ancient Indian painting Grant-Lee saw at a museum in Pasadena that depicts the twilight moment when cows are led home and kick up dust as night falls.

On today's episode, Bruce Headlam talks to Grant-Lee Phillips about making In the Hour of Dust. He tells the story of how a trip to the La Brea Tar Pits with his old friend Michael Stipe inspired his song "American Lions." And he discusses his songwriting process and how he approaches writing lyrics that balance the personal with larger societal themes.

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0:00.0

Pushkin.

0:10.8

Grant Lee Phillips first made his name in the 90s as the frontman of Grant Lee Buffalo,

0:15.8

a critically acclaimed band that released four albums and toured with Pearl Jam,

0:19.8

The Smashing Pumpkins, and

0:21.1

R.E.M. Rolling Stone named Grant Lee Best Male Vocalist in 94, and his band became known

0:26.8

for their folk-infused rock sound and their reflections on American history. After Grantley

0:32.0

Buffalo disbanded in 99, Phillips launched a solo career, eventually becoming familiar to a wider audience through his

0:38.3

recurring role as the town troubadour on Gilmore Girls. Last September, he released his 12th solo

0:43.8

album, and The Hour of Dust. The album's title was inspired by an ancient Indian painting

0:48.6

Grant Lee saw at a museum in Pasadena that depicts the twilight moment when cows are led home

0:53.1

and kick up dust as nightfalls.

0:55.5

On today's episode, Bruce Hedlam talks to Grant Lee Phillips about making in the hour of dust.

1:00.4

He tells the story of how he trip to the Librea Tar Pits with his old friend Michael Stipe

1:04.1

inspired his song American Lions.

1:06.9

And he discusses his songwriting process and how he approaches writing lyrics that balance the personal with larger societal themes.

1:15.9

This is Broken Record. Real musicians, real conversations.

1:22.9

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.

1:27.7

How did Sears go from a one-man watch company to the biggest retailer in the world to bankruptcy?

1:33.5

I'm Robert Smith.

1:34.3

And I'm Jacob Goldstein.

1:35.3

On our new show Business History, we tell the stories behind the inventions and entrepreneurs that shaped our economy.

1:41.2

And we try and understand the lessons behind their success and failure.

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