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Welcome to Dedicated. I'm your host Doug Brunt. Today we're with Grant Ginder. He has been a

speech writer in D.C. He's studied fiction writing under Colson Whitehead. He actually now teaches

writing as well at his alma mater, NYU, and he's the author of six novels. One is the people We Hate at the Wedding, which was turned into a 20-22 movie starring Kristen Bell and Allison Janney. And his latest is So Old, So Young. It's a terrific book. We're going to talk all about it. Grant, welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. And we are going to have Nogronies while we talk all about it. Sounds good. Which is what all the best writers drink. I'd like to think so. Yeah. We've had a few orders for Nogronies over the... Oh, yeah. Who else? Let's see. I think Chris Bo Jalian was Nogroni. Amortoles was a Nogroni. Okay. So I'm in good company. You're in great company, yeah.

They are in great company, I should say.

Thank you.

I really did, I love, the dialogue is crisp and energetic.

There's an incredible inner monologue that's driving the dialogue.

It was a really, really great, fun read, full of wisdom.

Thank you. It's like all of my great fun read, full of wisdom. Thank you.

It's like all of my neuroses on the page.

So, and I will, as I'm pouring this, we'll get started a little bit.

I know you're from Laguna Beach.

I am.

I am.

I grew up in Orange County with a brief stint in Northern California, and then back to Orange County. And then I did my undergrad at the University of Pennsylvania. So, hence the Penn connection in the book. And haven't been back since then.

I know. I saw that. So like Laguna Beach, I sort of picture as like empty pools and skateboards, a little

surfing in the 80s.

Absolutely.

I mean, absolutely.

I'm like perfect weather, a great place to grow up.

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