Hi this is Grant Cameron and you're listening to that

UFO podcast.

Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast.

My name is Andy and I am joined by renowned researcher and author of many books on the

UFO subject and host of his own YouTube showing podcast the Paranormal UFO Consciousness

Podcast Mr Grant Cameron and Grant welcome back. Thank you Andy thank you for F. and got a lot to get through you're a popular guest that as many of the guests are but loads of stuff coming for you across the whole of the

UFO topic as well so the questions from listeners go go all over and What's prompted me getting yourself back on now is you had a book

come out in June and that was let me get the title correct beyond managing Tangled in Secrets.

It's the third in a series of what's going to be five books.

The previous to this was back in 2017 that you released as well,

and that was the book too was Managing Magic, the

government's UFO disclosure plan. Before that you had UFO's Area 51 in

government informants and Books 4 and 5 are Managing Magic, Volume 3 and Drip, The Core Secret, which aren't released just yet and what we'll get to all of those.

But first off, so the book we're going to talk about beyond managing magic.

What's the thinking and timing behind really seeing that now?

It was actually done in 2018.

I wrote managing magic and the idea behind managing magic was I've always believed that there is an element to the control group whoever is running this show that they sort of want people

acclimatized so they try to release or what no I guess the word would be

bigelow used the word confirmation rather than disclosure you'll hear a lot of them say I'm not

for disclosure but I'm for confirmation and that's this whole idea that a lot of the people who control this have got money invested in this, whether it be Lockheed or whoever it is,

Bigelow talks about this.

Propriotary. If we put money in this, we own this. We're not going to give it back to the government

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