Welcome to the New York Times Popcast, live after the Grammys. We're here in the chairs, in the studio. We watch the event in the green room. Shout out Lindsay, shout out Elena, shout out Amanda. We're here to talk about what happened. We're here to talk about the big winners. We're here to talk about a couple of moments that were fairly confounding, if we're going to keep it a buck. and we're going to talk about what I found to be

Derrissade on We're going to talk about a couple of moments that were fairly confounding, if we're going to keep it a buck.

And we're going to talk about what I found to be, dare I say, an uncommonly emotional Grammy's, at least the moments that really resonated for me.

We obviously have to start off with Bad Bunny. Bad Bunny wins album of the year, one of several wins for Bad Bunny. When he was announced,

the camera, I mean, first of all, talk about a guy who understands stagecraft, sitting in his

chair, hand over his eyes. Yeah, he went, he went Jordan mode. He really did. Kobe mode with

the trophy. And, you know, again, I believe the sincerity of it, but also very, very

striking. In a very long show, you're at hour three and a half to have 15, 20, 30 seconds

of contemplative silence just right there on CBS for the last time.

What do you make of the Bad Bunny win?

We were sort of wondering all night long, obviously this was your pick for what should win,

very close to being my pick as well, an incredible album and also a really important statement.

What was your takeaway from bad

buddy winning that but but not the other big categories i was going back and forth all night

between okay i'm nervous are the grammy's going to grammy yay um i'll just say it like when when Billy won her third song of the year for Wildflower,

which to me is not even a top tier Billy Elish ballad. I thought, oh no, like what's going to happen here?

I said it before. I've said it on other episodes. I'm glad Billy

Ilish got on stage, spoke up, said her piece. That said, this is a lesser Billy

Ilish song from a lesser Billy Ilish album. That was shut out last year. Shut out last year.

Hit me hard and thought. But she only wins if she's nominated she only nominated

if it's submitted anyway some people love awards that got me a little low sorry it got me a little

low i was thinking like oh no is this just going to be a normal grand like lady gaga's going to

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