Welcome to what drives you. I'm Kevin Miller. In this episode, Grace, who deserves it? What about

justice? And how does it really help us? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. You hit me,

I hit you back, you disrespect me, I disrespect you. That would be the opposite of grace. Grace is

generally considered offering a kindness anyways,

when it's maybe undeserved, or you feel it is. I don't feel our culture gives a lot of value to

the idea anymore. We're afraid that letting a wrong go unpunished will enable others. I struggle with that too. I do struggle with that.

But as our mental health continues to decline, we find more people in more relational conflict than

ever. So I wanted to dig into this lost art of grace. So I sat down with Julia Baird.

Julia is an Australian journalist, broadcaster, and internationally bestselling author

who contributes to the New York Times, the Sydney Morning Herald.

She's the co-host of the Not Stupid podcast, and she has a brand new book out titled

Bright, Shining, How Grace Changes Everything.

I really dug into the hard questions around grace

and ultimately came away asking myself, what kind of person do I want to be? What behavior

will add the most to my life as well as others? One who errs on the side of grace or just tit for dat.

When I'm not having these conversations on human potential, I'm working directly with people on

their human potential. You can connect with me at Kevin Miller.co. Here are a few sponsors that make

the show possible, then drive with myself and Julia Baird as we talk about

grace. Who deserves it? What about justice? How does it really help us? Let's see what we can

learn for ourselves today. What? What type of console? Control it. Game did they want? MPG.

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