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The Trey Gowdy Podcast

Grace In The Face Of Hate

The Trey Gowdy Podcast

FOX News Podcasts

Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary, News

4.66.4K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Following Charlie Kirk’s memorial, Trey reflects on faith, forgiveness, and the power of dialogue over violence. He shows how grace can rise above anger and how love has the power to echo long after cruelty tries to silence it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, this is Trey. Thank you for joining us for the Tuesday edition of our podcast.

0:24.0

The Apostle Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, death, where is thy sting? Grave? Where is thy victory?

0:33.9

Those verses were on full display Sunday in Arizona. A widow left to raise small children because

0:39.9

someone hated their father's spiritual and political beliefs and executed him. In truth, that

0:46.3

voice has really only been amplified. What the assassin tried to silence now echoes around the world

0:53.7

as it likely will the halls of history.

0:56.9

I think ultimately it will be his spiritual journey that is the legacy that he leaves.

1:03.5

Yes, it was intertwined with public policy or what some people call politics, not unlike the fact that most of our laws and policies and traditions

1:12.5

have roots in faith. The most poignant moment among many on Sunday was Erica Kirk saying

1:19.8

she forgives the killer. It reminded me immediately of the family members of those murder

1:26.9

at Mother Emmanuel African Methodist Church

1:30.8

in Charleston, South Carolina, as they, just like Erica Kirk in the days after that horrific

1:38.4

killing motivated by race, whereas the one in Utah is motivated by spiritual and political beliefs. Mother Emanuel was motivated solely by race. But those family members said they forgave the man who killed their loved ones. It reminded me of Jesus saying, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. She forgave the killer because

2:03.6

her faith commands her to do so. It encourages her to do so. It sets that as the aspiration. And that's

2:10.4

true for at least a couple of reasons. Her faith teaches her that she also is in need of forgiveness so therefore she should show it to others

2:20.5

but also because we can't live life tethered to rage and anger and retribution it consumes you

2:28.4

i think the old saying goes if you go after someone in revenge you better be prepared to dig two graves, one for you

2:37.2

and one for the person you seek. But Erica Kirk was also clear that the legal system does not

2:43.8

operate based on the New Testament teachings of Jesus. And I would not and could not forgive someone the way that she did, the way the family

2:54.6

of those murdered at Mother Emmanuel did, the way I saw so many other families of homicide victims

3:01.9

do the way Christ did. I would not do it. I would rather be the one doing the prosecuting, the one putting Tyler Robinson on death row.

3:12.7

Tyler Robinson had a precipitous fall into abject darkness, which led to premeditated murder.

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