Three, two, one.

Hello and welcome to This Day, a history podcast from Radiotopia.

My name is Jody Avergan.

And this is our Some Sunday context episode on Sundays during a very history-making first year of the Second Trump administration.

We were trying to do some episodes

to give you a little historical context. Sometimes that's finding relevant shows from the archives,

and sometimes that's getting together like we are now, to chat about the latest events and to

try and get some grounding. So today, we thought we would look at the long and rocky history

of the relationship between government and educational institutions.

As it happens, there has always been this kind of carrot and stick of federal funding that has let governments intervene with what's going on on campuses, though maybe probably nothing like we have seen right at this moment.

But some context always helps and here to chat and provide that context are, as always,

Nicole Hammer of Vanderbilt and Kelly Carter Jackson of Wellesley.

Hello there.

Hello, Jody.

Hey there.

You two have thoughts about what's going on on campuses?

Just the little.

I mean, I feel like this has been all consuming for the past month or so.

Obviously, it touches every part of our work lives and our students' lives, and we gather at conferences, and it's all we can talk about.

Sure, sure.

And, you know, we'll talk about some of the institutions that have been targeted, and then we can talk about. Sure, sure. Yeah.

And, you know, we'll talk about some of the institutions that have been targeted and then we'll talk about some of the sort of larger, just chill, I think, that has gone over a lot of academia.

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