Welcome to the President's Inbox, a CFR podcast about the foreign policy challenges facing the United States.

I'm Jim Lindsay, Director of Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

This week's topic is governance of artificial intelligence.

With me to discuss the capacity of the United States government to lead in creating a new

framework for regulating artificial intelligence is Kat Duffy.

Kat is a senior fellow for digital and cyberspace policy here at the council.

She has more than two decades of experience operating at the nexus of emerging technology, democratic principles,

corporate responsibility in human rights. She recently co-wrote the piece, Defending the Year of Democracy,

what it will take to protect 2024's 80-plus elections from hostile actors for foreign affairs.

Kat, thank you for coming on the president's inbox.

Happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

So Kat, artificial intelligence, otherwise known as AI, is the big story in technology.

Sort of burst on the scene a little more than a year ago.

And it has promised great benefits for society, but a number of people in the tech community and outside it have warned about the potential malign consequences of artificial intelligence. So there's

been a lot of talk about the need to create a governing structure, a regulatory structure for

AI. Obviously, it's a technology that operates here at home, but across borders. So there's a lot of talk about international governance.

So can you give us a sense of where that debate is today? Certainly happy to. I would say,

you know, AI has burst not only onto the technology scene, but as you said, onto the global

governance scene in ways that, you know, I have to say having worked

in the tech policy space, you know, for 25 years at this point, I've never seen a technology

capture the imagination and the panic of governments to quite the degree that I have seen

AI capture it in the past year or two. I think right now you're seeing a lot of people

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