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Ooh, eh, yeah, yeah, no need my, oh.

Right, I'm gonna need my best Scottish accent

for today's episode of the Paul Chabry podcast,

because today's guest is Gordon Smart.

He's an award-winning journalist and former showbiz editor of the newspaper The Sun. This is going to be more revealing than page three.

Gordon is a broadcasting seasoned pro with his own podcast called Restless Natives.

It's a good podcast, but is it better than the Paul Chadry podcast?

Let's find out with the Gordon Smart.

Thank you so much for having me.

I don't know if I meant to laugh at that, but...

I'm not sure if I summed you up correctly.

I'll take that every day of the week because my appraisal of my position in life is a midlife crisis,

riding the coattails of various other people,

feeling like I'm just about to trip over and fall spectacular around my face.

So it's such a pleasure to sit on the other side of the microphone from you as well,

exactly Gordon, because in other lifetimes you've interviewed me.

Yeah.

Now the tables have twice.

Twice, man.

XFM.

Yes, back in the day.

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