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Ukrainecast

Gorbachev and Ukraine

Ukrainecast

BBC

News Commentary, News

4.71K Ratings

🗓️ 31 August 2022

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

He contributed to Ukraine's independence. So why do they not remember him more fondly?

Victoria and Vitaliy reflect on the Gorbachev years, the demise of the Soviet Union and what he thought about Ukrainian independence with former BBC Moscow correspondent, Bridget Kendall.

Justin Bronk a defence analyst from RUSI brings us up to speed with the Ukrainian offensive in Kherson.

And we discuss the return to school for Ukrainian children with James Elder who is a spokesperson for UNICEF currently based in Kyiv. The series producer is Estelle Doyle. The producers are Clare Williamson and Arsenii Sokolov. The technical producer is Emma Crowe and the editor Jonathan Aspinwall. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:04.8

Hello, it's 189 days since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine.

0:09.4

The former Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, has died.

0:13.4

And under his watch, the Berlin Wall fell, the Cold War came to an end.

0:17.5

The Soviet Union crumbled.

0:19.3

He was responsible for a period of openness, Glasnovst, towards the West.

0:25.6

But in Russia, he is a very divisive figure.

0:30.0

On the one hand, he carried out vital reforms, but they brought poverty.

0:35.9

He brought the Russians' opportunity, but on the other hand, he's criticized for allowing

0:42.5

the Soviet Union to fall apart.

0:45.4

And part of his legacy is captured by this advert from 1997.

0:50.8

It's an advert for Peter Hart.

0:55.0

And it shows Mikhail Gorbachev sitting in the Peter Hart restaurant, apparently Moscow.

1:00.3

And visitors are discussing him.

1:03.0

There's this older gentleman who says that Gorbachev has to blame for the chaos in the economy,

1:10.8

but the young man responds, but he brought us up new opportunities.

1:14.9

Then the old man says, what about political instability?

1:18.9

The young man says freedom.

1:20.3

So this advert is very symbolic of how Mikhail Gorbachev was seen in Russia back then.

1:30.5

Sometimes nothing brings people together like a nice hot pizza from Peter Hart.

1:36.7

And now, also very symbolically, Peter Hart is gone from Russia.

1:42.2

He pulled out of Russia because of the war in Ukraine, a war which President Putin sees

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