Well, look, this chaos has a real impact, Lisa, and I know you've spoken to someone who has a unique perspective on that. Tell us about it.

I spoke earlier this week to Patrick and Henry Congressman of North Carolina. He's been here 20 years and he is retiring.

He knows all about this kind of chaos. Remember, he was the one who stepped in as acting speaker when Kevin McCarthy was ousted, and that was,

again, also over fiscal discontent by some Republicans.

As an example, earlier this week, he told me he thought Speaker Johnson had no problems.

Today I talked to him, and he indicated things may have changed.

I talked to him about Congress, about the Republican Party, and my first question to him

was about this fiscal mess that we have right near now.

And why is it that Congress can't do basic things?

Frankly, we're in a situation where basic governance that is like turning the light switch on in the morning is complicated.

And I think speaks to the dysfunction within our agencies of government

between the branches and a lack of muscle memory on making these normal things happen. So really

complicated it. And I don't see it quickly changing until we have systemic reform for how we fund

the government. In general, do you think Congress is broken or no?

Well, I think Congress is fundamentally a great place to get the people's business done.

I think we're at low ebb of functionality, and I think we're on the edge of really active legislating next Congress.

I think the reform we need to

is to once again allow members of the House to be here in D.C. with their families. The best

relationships I have from across the aisle are because of my kids and because of my wife.

And those normal interactions we have.

The House Republican dysfunction we've seen this week is not new, as McHenry knows too well.

All right.

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