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🗓️ 12 September 2018

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser discuss California’s landmark decision to eliminate cash bail for defendants in criminal cases--and the controversial algorithmic “risk assessment” system that will partially replace it. They also hash out a fresh debate over who gets to fact-check the news that appears in your Facebook feed following an outcry in media circles on Tuesday, after Facebook flagged a story in the liberal outlet ThinkProgress as “false”--all because the conservative Weekly Standard had taken issue with its headline. 

The hosts are then joined by Professor Safiya Umoja Noble, author of Algorithms of Oppression: How Search Engines Reinforce Racism. Lately, media coverage - and congressional hearings - have focused on potential anti-conservative bias among the big tech companies, but professor’s Noble’s work suggests we may actually have a much different problem.

17:50 - Interview with Safiya Umoja Noble36:36 - Don’t Close My Tabs

Don’t Close My Tabs: 

Anatomy of an AI System by Kate Crawford and Vladan Joler 

The New Yorker: Can Mark Zuckerberg Fix Facebook Before it Breaks Democracy?

Podcast production by Max Jacobs

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0:00.0

Welcome to If Then, the show about how technology is changing our lives and our future.

0:08.9

I'm April Glazer.

0:10.2

And I'm Will Aremus.

0:24.7

Hey, everyone. Welcome to If Then. We're coming to you from Slate and Future Tense,

0:29.7

a partnership between Slate, Arizona State University, and New America. We're recording this on the afternoon of Tuesday, September 11th. This week we'll discuss California's landmark decision

0:34.6

to eliminate cash bail for defendants in criminal cases and the

0:37.7

controversial system that will replace it. Instead of the grossly unfair practice of having

0:42.3

defendants buy their freedom while they await trial, California will now rely partially

0:46.5

on a risk assessment algorithm to determine who will return to court or who poses a threat

0:51.9

to the public. While ending the cash bail practice was seen as a

0:55.1

huge win in many circles, activists now fear replacing cash bail with an algorithmic risk

1:00.2

assessment could even further exacerbate racial profiling in the criminal justice system.

1:05.0

We'll also talk about a fresh debate over who gets to fact-check the news that appears in your

1:09.5

Facebook feed.

1:16.0

There was an outcry in media circles on Tuesday, after Facebook flagged a story from the liberal outlet think progress as false, all because the conservative outlet, the weekly standard,

1:21.4

had taken issue with the headline.

1:23.3

The story about Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's statements on abortion has become a sort of test case for the credibility of Facebook's fact-checking efforts.

1:31.6

Then we'll be joined by Professor Sophia Umoja Noble, author of Algorithms of Oppression, how search engines reinforce racism.

1:39.0

Lately, media coverage and congressional hearings have focused on potential anti-conservative bias among the big tech companies.

1:45.0

But Professor Noble's work suggests we may actually have a much different problem.

1:49.5

And lastly, we'll have Don't Close My Tabs, some of our favorite stories we saw on the web this week.

1:54.4

Hey, Will, how you doing?

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