Hello there, your Awakening Wonders. Welcome to stay free with Russell Brand.

What extraordinary times we're living in where reality appears to be curated to an enormous degree.

How do you manage reality? How do you manage perception? How do you manage information?

Joining me now is Dr Robert Epstein, a former Harvard psychology professor, author of 15 books, and current director

of the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology. Thank you very much for joining

us today, Doctor. My pleasure. One of the claims that you have made that is most astonishing,

difficult almost to believe, is that Google are essentially able to curate and control reality.

Google that we all use as an ordinary tool in most people's lives,

you claim can be used to drive and direct an agenda, that it can be used as a political tool and even weapon.

In particular, I'd like to ask you about your claim

that Google was able to direct 6 million extra votes to Joe Biden.

And obviously, that's an incredibly contentious claim

because talking about electoral fraud and electoral meddling seems to be one of the subjects

that's most difficult to discuss and has to be discussed with incredible caution.

So can you tell me exactly what it is you mean by Google directing 6 million extra votes

to a presumably preferred presidential candidate, and how on earth

Google would be able to do that? Well, I've been doing very rigorous scientific research on this

topic for more than 11 years. And what should really shock you here is that people's preoccupation

with election fraud and ballot stuffing and all that, that preoccupation,

that obsession is actually engineered by Google and to a lesser extent other tech companies.

There's nothing really there, and that's what they do.

They redirect attention like magicians do so that you won't look at them. That's exactly what they're doing.

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