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Thinking LSAT

Goodbye T-14. Hello T-17. (Ep. 502)

Thinking LSAT

Nathan Fox and Ben Olson

Education

4.8 • 868 Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

Ben and Nathan break down the newly released U.S. News law school rankings, including an initial error that caused some confusion. They explain why slight shifts in rankings—like Cornell dropping out of the Top 14 or the new Top 17—shouldn’t heavily influence your law school choice. Instead, they stress applying broadly and focusing on schools with the best scholarship offers and employment outcomes.

A listener asks if retaking the LSAT is worth it after being rejected or waitlisted by all her top schools. In Pearls vs. Turds, they assess a tip about highlighting adverbs in reading comprehension, noting that understanding their role matters more than marking them up. Then, they offer guidance on handling unanswered questions after timed sections. And what’s the deal with Pace Law School?


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0:30 – The New U.S. News Rankings (and a Bit of Confusion)

Ben and Nathan unpack the latest U.S. News Law School Rankings, which briefly included an incorrect list due to an initial error. A four-way tie at 14th place has turned the usual Top 14 into a Top 17. Their main point: minor ranking shifts shouldn't drive your decision. Focus instead on applying broadly and choosing the school that offers the best mix of scholarship money and job prospects.

15:29 – Is It Time to Retake the LSAT?

A listener waitlisted or rejected by all her top-choice schools asks for advice. Ben and Nathan agree she should retake the LSAT and reapply. They warn against accepting the steep “waitlist prices” schools often offer. Their advice: apply to at least 10 schools to maximize offers, but don’t count long-shot “reach” schools in that total.

26:36 – Pearls vs. Turds: Should You Highlight Adverbs?

This week’s tip suggests highlighting all adverbs in reading comprehension. While adverbs can shape a passage’s meaning, the Demon still advises against highlighting. It can become a crutch that replaces real understanding. What matters is grasping their impact, not marking them. Verdict: a pearl—with some polishing.

32:30 – What To Do With Unanswered Questions

A student using the Demon method—focusing on one question at a time and ignoring the clock—asks what to do with leftover questions once time runs out. Ben and Nathan suggest reviewing the questions he attempted and missed first, then finishing the remaining ones untimed, treating them like regular drilling.

35:34 – What’s the Deal with Pace Law School

This week’s What’s the Deal With is prompted by former FBI Director Kush Patel leaving Pace Law School off his official bio. Ben and Nathan highlight common concerns with schools like Pace, including conditional scholarships and limited employment outcomes. They also caution against being swayed by marketing claims like “number one ranked environmental law program” and encourage students to focus on scholarship offers and job prospects.

1:02:51 - Word of the Week - Struthious

If the reckless disregard standard... served merely as a substitute for willful misconduct—to prevent the defendant from "deliberately blinding himself to the consequences of his tortuous action"—section (b)(3) would be redundant since section (b)(2) already covers such struthious conduct.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Does it actually change the reality of what's happening at the school?

0:03.2

Doubt it.

0:03.9

I mean, does it even reflect the reality of what's happening at the school?

0:07.9

Maybe, in a way.

0:10.0

Those Harvard grads are struggling.

0:12.5

Yeah, right.

0:20.5

Hello and welcome to episode 5002 of the Thinking Elset podcast. I'm Nathan Fox with me,

0:25.4

is Ben Olson. We're the co-founders of ElsetDemon.com and the ElSat Demon Daily podcast.

0:31.3

A bunch of stuff on the agenda today, Ben, but first thing is U.S. news rankings are out. Apparently, I didn't know this until just now.

0:41.4

Thanks, Josh, for putting this together on very short notice.

0:46.5

According to Above the Law, have you heard this, Ben?

0:49.3

No.

0:50.1

According to Above the Law, US News published the updated rankings around 8 p.m. Eastern last night

0:56.1

in two different places, each with different rankings.

1:00.9

Yikes.

1:01.6

At around 11 p.m. Eastern, they corrected the erroneous one and made an official official rankings.

1:10.9

Wow.

1:11.6

But for example, Cornell was listed at number 14 in the incorrect version,

1:17.5

and in the official version, Cornell is listed at 18.

1:21.8

That is bizarre.

1:23.6

You wonder why they would have, they even have two versions.

1:26.7

I could just imagine people super celebrating and then have the reality come crashing down.

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