Goodbye, Logic Games (Ep. 425)
Thinking LSAT
Nathan Fox and Ben Olson
4.8 • 868 Ratings
🗓️ 23 October 2023
⏱️ 82 minutes
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Summary
The era of LSAT logic games is coming to a close. Beginning in August 2024, the exam’s Analytical Reasoning section will be removed, making room for a second section of Logical Reasoning. Ben and Nathan share their take on the news and offer advice to present and future LSAT students. Later, the guys cast doubt on income-driven loan repayment programs. They urge listeners to see the LSAT as a stepping stone, not a stumbling block. And they assess the admissions prospects of low-GPA splitters.
1:28 - Logic Games Going Away
Nathan and Ben lament LG’s imminent demise.
20:37 - Pearls vs. Turds
Should listener Taylor attend an overpriced law school and trust a federal income-driven repayment program to help pay off their debt? Ben and Nathan caution Taylor to steer clear of loan forgiveness traps.
26:04 - LSAT Pressure
An anonymous listener struggles with burnout and anxiety. Nathan and Ben counsel Anonymous to accept a long-term LSAT study plan that doesn’t put life on hold.
39:50 - Return to Fundamentals
Despite recent success in their prep, an anonymous LSAT Demon student has reverted to some bad habits. Ben and Nathan recommend taking some time off from the LSAT and returning to fundamentals.
59:00 - Appealing to Retake
Listener TH shares the story of how they successfully appealed to take the LSAT a seventh time.
1:06:13 - Applying to HYS
An anonymous listener considers applying to a few elite law schools this year, then applying more broadly next cycle if necessary. Nathan and Ben worry that this plan could shut the door on scholarships from other excellent schools.
1:10:40 - GPA Questions
The guys address a series of questions from listeners with low undergraduate GPAs. Crushing the LSAT won’t erase an applicant’s low GPA, but it’s their best shot at tipping the scales in their favor.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to episode 425 of the Thinking Elsat Podcast. I'm Nathan Fox. With me is Ben Olson. |
| 0:13.7 | We're the co-founder of El-Sat Demon.com |
| 0:15.8 | and the El-Sat Demon Daily podcast. |
| 0:18.0 | You can be El-Sat Famous, share news and ask questions |
| 0:20.8 | on our website, thinking El-Sat. |
| 0:22.3 | com Monday, November 13th, 10 a.m. Pacific 1 p.m. |
| 0:27.8 | Eastern Ben and I are going to do a little bit of co-teaching. This is a class that is going to be live on |
| 0:34.5 | Zoom. It's available to all of our paid subscribers. So all basic |
| 0:38.2 | subscribers, all premium subscribers, all live subscribers, please come to Ben's class, |
| 0:45.0 | but I am going to be crashing at least part of that class. |
| 0:49.0 | And it's always fun to be in the classroom with Ben. |
| 0:53.7 | Thursday November 23rd at 5 o'clock Pacific 8 PM Eastern, |
| 0:58.7 | my class is going to be free and that's free, free for everybody. All you need is a demon free account and you can come to my whole |
| 1:07.4 | ELSAT class on Thursday November 23rd again 5 PM Pacific 8 PM Eastern. It's a two hour all levels |
| 1:14.8 | ELSAT class appropriate for absolutely everybody and I hope to see you there. |
| 1:21.2 | Go to ELSat dot link |
| 1:23.1 | forward slash free if you'd like to see information about that class. |
| 1:28.2 | We have some breaking news for you. |
| 1:31.6 | Yeah, we've known that L-Sat logic games are going away eventually. We've known that since |
| 1:37.3 | 2019 when they settled a lawsuit. We now know exactly when they're going away. |
| 1:43.6 | That's the August 2024 L-SAT will be the first |
| 1:46.8 | L-SAT without the L-SAT logic games. |
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