Hello and welcome to another episode of Good Skews. I'm Matt Hilderith and today's guest is Zach

Mueller. We're going to be hearing from Zach who is a researcher and a journalist, somebody who has

been following the rise of white nationalism in

the United States, probably more closely than just about anybody else. As we've seen in recent

polling, public opinion is collapsing right now for Donald Trump's deportation, and the far

right has spent tons of time and money trying to build public opinion in support of their

deportation agenda and that is collapsing. So I think that's some good news. Despite all of the

horrible things that we're seeing on immigration, there are a few things that are improving.

And I wanted to talk with Zach about that today. Zach, thank you so much for joining us.

Yeah, glad to be here. Before we begin,

Zach, could you just maybe tell us a little bit more about where we can find more information

on you and where we can follow you online? Yeah, as of right now, I mean, I post mostly on

Blue Sky at Zachary A. Mueller at Blue Sky and then also have a substack that is occasionally writing about immigration

and the right online at margins to the mainstream.

Excellent. And that's something that we're going to be talking a lot about today.

You know, if you look right now, it seems really crazy to see where we've gotten as a

country. I think there's a lot of people paying attention now to Donald Trump's deportation

agenda because they've not only seen it in the news, but they're starting it to, they're starting

to see it have a real impact in their communities. So when you hear about things like alligator, Alcatraz, and all this

other crazy stuff the administration is doing, how do you tell people that we got to this moment?

Yeah, I think there's a longer story and then a more abbreviated cliff note story. The longer story,

I think, is that there's been a new nationalist movement that has been building since 1965 as a

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