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Mea Culpa

Good Luck Trying to Cancel Me + A Look Back At My Conversation With Steven Hassan

Mea Culpa

Michael Cohen

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 6 February 2026

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Today on Mea Culpa, I revisit an earlier conversation with new urgency. Back in September, I sat down with Dr. Steven Hassan, mental health expert, author, and host of the Cults, Culture & Coercion podcast, to examine how MAGA functions less like a political movement and more like a system of psychological control. Drawing on his own experience surviving the Moonies cult and decades of research into coercive influence, Hassan breaks down why Trump’s followers remain fiercely loyal despite constant chaos, corruption, and contradiction. While the headlines have shifted since this conversation first aired, the patterns have not. Putin remains central, the Epstein files remain unreleased, and collective amnesia has set in around events that happened only months ago. This episode asks whether the MAGA movement is finally fracturing as Trump turns on the very values his base once claimed as sacred. Subscribe to Michael's Substack: https://therealmichaelcohen.substack.com/ Subscribe to Michael's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichaelCohenShow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is my Mayor Culper.

0:03.0

Oh, baby, don't lie for me.

0:05.0

If I tell you my story, don't cry for me.

0:08.0

I did my time that's fun by me.

0:11.0

This is my...

0:13.0

That's fair to me.

0:14.0

This is Michael Cohen, and you're listening to the one and only Mayor Culper podcast, available

0:21.4

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0:23.7

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0:28.6

interviews.

0:29.8

Now, look, I've been called a lot of things in my life.

0:33.1

Some fair?

0:34.2

Most not.

0:35.3

I've been judged for my past, interrogated for my motives, and rightly challenged

0:40.3

for decisions I've owned publicly and repeatedly. Accountability, it's a word I understand. What I did not

0:48.1

anticipate, what no one truly prepares for, is what happens when your own side decides that you've committed an

0:56.0

unforgivable sin. That's called independent thought. You see, there's a quiet lie we tell

1:02.6

ourselves in democratic and progressive spaces, that we are immune to the very behavior that

1:08.8

we condemn. That because our intentions are righteous our methods

1:13.8

must be too that if the enemy is authoritarianism cruelty or extremism then anything done in the

1:21.4

name of opposing it is justified i believe that once i'll, I don't anymore. Because over the past month,

1:30.3

I found myself on the receiving end of something that has absolutely nothing to do with Donald

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