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TGC released five new debates as part of the Good Faith Debates video series featuring prominent

Christian thinkers discussing some of the most divisive issues facing the church today.

On today's episode, we're featuring a debate between Matthew Sorens and Darren Guera on the

topic of immigration laws. Pastor Jim Davis from Orlando Grace Church moderates this debate.

Let's listen in. Well, welcome to TGC's Good Faith Debates. This is a series of conversations

designed to help you learn about and engage in issues of contemporary life and culture that might

be confusing, might be challenging, and might even be divisive or polarizing. My name is Jim

Davis. I'm pastor of Orlando Grace Church, and it is a privilege to be able to moderate these debates.

Today, the topic is immigration. Immigration is obviously a charged issue. It is a political

issue, but it's also a gospel issue. So we want to talk about it. And today I am here with Matthew Sorens

who is, and I have to read this because it's a long one, US director of church mobilization and

advocacy for world relief, and Dr. Darren Guera, who is a professor of political science at Biola

University. Thank you both for joining us here today. Thank you. Glad to be here. Thank you.

Well, Matthew, we can start with you. We would love to hear your perspective on the question

should we have tougher immigration laws? Yeah, I will get to that question, but I do want to say

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