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The Two Matts

Good chaps, bad chaps - how British politics went bent

The Two Matts

The New World

Politics, Government, News Commentary, News

4.2577 Ratings

🗓️ 28 June 2024

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

The Matts are joined by Simon Kuper, FT journalist and author of Good Chaps - an extraordinary book exposing the collapse of morality at the heart of British politics. It’s a terrific conversation shedding light on how things got so bad so fast from Thatcher to Truss … and, as bit of a diversion, we also chat about Paris - another of Simon’s passions and subject of his book The Impossible City, described by Matt K as the second best memoir on Paris he’s ever read. The best? You’ll have to listen to find out. Enjoy!


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of journalism. Hello, I'm Matt Kelly. And I'm Matt Dan Conna. And this is the two mats for the

1:00.4

weekending Friday the 28th of June and now available on WhatsApp. Why are we on WhatsApp? Well,

1:06.0

because we are going to do an election night special. We are. We are. And we'll talk a little bit more about this at the end of the podcast.

1:12.5

You've got to wait.

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1:21.7

But what did we talk about this episode?

1:23.0

We had the very brilliant Simon Cooper, who's just published a wonderful book about corruption in the system, which is kind of perfectly time for the election.

1:31.5

But we talked about other things too.

1:33.0

We talked about his writings on the kind of factional influence of Oxford, about Paris.

1:38.7

It's just a really interesting conversation with a really fascinating guy.

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