Hey guys, it's Kayla. Candace isn't able to join us today, but we are all still so

directionally challenged. We thought we'd have it all figured out by the time we were

in our 30s. But surprise, we don't. And that's okay. It really is okay. And we're so grateful

to have this podcast to be able to remind each other of that. And do you hear that? It's silence.

It's silence. That's what we're talking about today. We have to lovely people on as our guests,

they are both the co-authors of an incredible book called Golden, the Power of Silence in a

World of Noise. And this was really captivating to me when they approached us about coming on the

podcast I thought, wow, yes, we could use more silence because let's be honest, our world is so

noisy today. They have so many valuable techniques and points. So we're going to sit down with Justin

Talbotzorn. He is an author and a policy maker who has served as both a strategist and a meditation

teacher in the U.S. Congress. A Harvard and Oxford trained specialist in economics and psychology

of human thriving. Justin's writing on mindfulness and politics has been published in 12 languages.

And his work has appeared in the Washington Post, the Atlantic Harvard Business Review, foreign policy,

and so many other publications. We're also sitting down with Lee Mars. She's a leadership coach

and collaboration consultant specializing in work with scientists, engineers, and creatives.

She spent years working with the climate team at NASA and over a decade facilitating and advising

a cross-sector team of chemists, advocates, government regulators, manufacturers, and retailers,

aiming to reduce toxic chemicals in our homes and our environment. They came together and decided

we need to change something in our world today. What is that? And they decided that we need more

silence. You guys, this conversation with them is fascinating. They're truly exceptional individuals

with so much to share. So without further ado, here is my conversation with Justin Zorn and Lee Mars.

And we are here with Justin Zorn and Lee Mars. We were talking about Santa Fe off the mic. And

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