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🗓️ 15 August 2022
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Ever wonder why it feels like we’re in the golden age of scammers? In this special episode of Scamfluencers, hosts Scaachi Koul and Sarah Hagi sit down with fellow journalist Evan Ratliff, the host of Persona: The French Deception, to discuss our culture’s rabid obsession with conning. They dig deep into Ratliff’s investigation into Gilbert Chikli, the prolific con artist whose bold telephone scams netted more than $50 million, and discuss how influence can make — and break — a scammer.
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0:00.0 | Hey, prime members, you can listen to scam fluncers add free on Amazon music. Download the app today. |
0:08.7 | From Wondry, I'm Sachi Cole and I'm Sarah Haggi and this is a special episode of scam fluncers. |
0:14.8 | And just a programming note, we're taking a two-week break after this to dive into more scams. |
0:20.0 | We'll be back with a brand new season starting August 29th on Wondry Plus and September 5th on the public feed. |
0:26.2 | As you all probably know by now, we've come to learn a thing or two about con artists, broadsters and grifters. |
0:32.6 | And the people who fall for them. We've seen how deception, susceptibility, and of course a dash of |
0:38.4 | influence can create the perfect scam storm. But no one understands this better than Evan Ratliffe, |
0:44.4 | the host of Wondry and Pineapple Street Studios latest production persona. |
0:50.2 | Over the past few years, Evans uncovered the story of a con artist who pulled off an extraordinary |
0:55.2 | scam that spans 40 countries, hundreds of targets, and dozens of suspects. It's the elaborate |
1:01.7 | and winding story of global menace Gilbert Sheikli. She gradeooped some of the world's most |
1:07.5 | powerful people into handing over their fortunes, evaded the law for years, and even became a |
1:12.8 | Robinhood-like hero to many in the process. The best scams are irresistible. I don't mean |
1:18.6 | irresistible to hear about. I mean to the person being conned. A good scam is in a single event in time, |
1:24.7 | like a robbery. No, a truly great con is a story, one that taps into the listeners greed, |
1:30.5 | or loneliness, or vanity. To run this kind of scam, you have to invent a whole imaginary world, |
1:36.9 | and then put your mark inside it. Make them a part of it, so they're playing a role, |
1:41.6 | inhabiting a new persona, just like you are. If you think about it, that's the art part of being |
1:47.2 | a con artist. If you could make a story so enticing that the listener lives inside of it and |
1:52.3 | doesn't want to leave, you don't even have to steal their money. They'll just give it to you. |
2:01.4 | I'm Evan Ratliffe, and this is the story of Gilbert Sheikli, one of the greatest con artists |
2:06.0 | of all time, a man who took tens of millions from some of the richest people on the planet. |
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