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Farai Chidea. Jamel Hill is a media luminary whose territory ranges from sports to politics.

She's been named Journalist of the Year by the National Association of Black Journalist.

She's a contributing writer at the Atlantic and host of Jamel Hill is unbothered on Spotify.

Jamel formerly co-anchored ESPN SportsCenter and has more than a million Twitter followers,

which is particularly relevant because Hill called Donald Trump a white supremacist in a series of 2017 tweets criticizing his fitness as president.

Public figures like former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick supported her, and people

including then White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, called for Jamel to be fired

from ESPN.

Jamel's story begins in Detroit.

She tells us where she comes from, who her people are, and who she is in Uphill,

her debut memoir. Jamel, we are so happy to welcome you back to Our Body Politics.

And I'm so glad to be here, making a repeat appearance. When I read your book, I was thinking

a lot of my grandmother because my grandmother started a memoir about her mother,

and she kept saying, when my mother dies, I'll finish it.

And her mother died, and she never finished the book because there was some tough mother-daughter stuff.

And you have some tough mother-daughter stuff and some tough granddaughter-granddaughter-grandma stuff, but you talk about it. How did you think about

your ability to have a conversation around people in your life who you love, who, you know,

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