Going for Growth: Can We Make Britain Wealthy Again? (Matt Clifford)
Radical with Amol Rajan
BBC
4.5 • 919 Ratings
🗓️ 30 April 2026
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
This week, Amol speaks to Matt Clifford, co-founder of Entrepreneurs First and former AI adviser to Number 10. Matt’s radical idea is simple; he wants to make Britain wealthy again by supercharging economic growth. He argues that economic stagnation has left the UK with flat living standards and wages. In short, he says, Britain needs a pay rise - and the way to get it is through a rapid adoption of AI, and backing entrepreneurs.
But what are the challenges? Amol and Matt discuss the potential winners and losers in the AI revolution, the dangers of cutting red tape, and whether economic growth really is the best way of improving our lives.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, music radio podcasts. |
| 0:07.2 | We get it. Life is busy. You want to keep up with the news, but there's just too much going on. |
| 0:13.0 | Which is where newscast comes in. We do the work, and when you're ready to dig deeper into the day's news, you just pop us into your ears. |
| 0:23.6 | It does mean we have to put in the hard work though. Listen to newsical. These are conversations about the deep global trends changing our world and offering you some radical ideas for the future. |
| 0:44.7 | You know, one of the reasons we set up this podcast is because I just have this little suspicion, this little nagging sense that perhaps sometimes in the news industry, my industry, my trade, we don't always talk about the |
| 0:55.4 | really powerful, important forces that are actually shaping human history. And I'm thrilled |
| 1:02.1 | and humble to say that our guest today is someone who shares something of that sentiment. |
| 1:07.3 | So we talk on this podcast all the time about decline, about stagnation, about |
| 1:11.1 | lack of progress, about the problems facing Britain and the world. We've had some incredible |
| 1:15.4 | people on who have identified the radical changes that are happening for better and for worse, |
| 1:20.3 | the trends that got us to where we are today, and what will happen if we continue on the same |
| 1:24.8 | path. And the problem, of course, is that these problems are very hard to |
| 1:28.3 | fix. And that stagnation, that sense of decline, that worry about where Britain is in the world |
| 1:33.6 | is happening at the same time as we're living through the most astonishing revolution, |
| 1:38.9 | particularly in technology and artificial intelligence. And our guest today is someone who's |
| 1:43.8 | been on both sides of that |
| 1:45.5 | divide. And he's tried to collapse the divide. He's worked in technology as an investor and as an entrepreneur |
| 1:50.7 | and he's worked for British governments, both Rishi Sunak and Kirstama. He is Matt Clifford, |
| 1:57.9 | co-founder of Entrepreneurs First, AI advisor to Rishi Sunak and Kirstama, author of the AI Opportunities Plan, which has been enacted in full, and he believes the necessary solution to the problems we face is in one sense pretty simple. |
| 2:13.6 | It's economic growth, and he's got some pretty radical ideas to make Britain wealthy again by embracing innovation, science, technology and particularly something he knows rather a lot about AI. |
| 2:29.7 | Here we are in the radical studio, two mugs with my face on them and drinking out of one of them is, what can we call him, the most influential man in British AI, the most influential entrepreneur of his generation, Bradford's Matt Clifford. How are you? And very well, thanks. Thanks for having me. It's so nice to see you. I've been so excited about this for so long, for so many reasons. |
| 2:49.6 | And one of them, and don't worry, you are going to get to say something over the next hour and a half or however long we're talking. |
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