For 60 years until he retired in 2023, Harvey Mansfield taught political philosophy at

Harvard University where from much of that time he was in contention for the top or at least most famous conservative professor in America.

While at Harvard he mentored students who became national figures from Alan Keys to Bill Crystal,

to Andrew Sullivan, to to Tom Cotton to my former college advisor

and former guest on the dispatch podcast Jeremy Rabkin. Mansfield has written books on

Maccovelli, Burke, de Tocful, and manliness, among other subjects.

And at 91, he is still publishing, or at least, as I understand it, trying to write one or more books.

As you imagine he also has opinions on what is going on on college campuses

and in the national political scene.

So we get into all of that and much more in this very interesting podcast that I think you

will very much enjoy.

Without further ado, I give you Professor Harvey Mansfield,

welcome to the Dispatch Podcast.

Glad to be here.

Professor, I want to start where I started last week.

We had Robbie George on the podcast talking about some of the

same issues that I want to discuss with you and I and I began by asking him to

imagine if he was instead of Professor Robbie George, Princeton President Robbie George, and in the same case with you,

imagine if you were Harvard President, Harvey Mansfield, sitting before Congress like several of the presidents did just a few weeks ago

and were asked is calling for the genocide of Jews harassment.

How should they have answered? First by saying that

this was an atrocity committed by Hamas against Israel,

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