This is Free Thought Radio with co-host Stan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor, Irreverent Views, News, Music, and Interviews.

Imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you try.

No hell below us, Above us only sky Imagine all the people living for today Hello and welcome to Free Thought Radio.

I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor,

and it's nice to be with you resistors of Christian nationalism this week.

And I'm Dan Barker.

Annie Laurie and I are co-presidents of the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

And this is the January 23rd, 2025 episode of Free Thought Radio.

Leo Costello is our producer and Tori Neels with Audio for the Arts is our engineer.

We're recording in the Stephen Ool-friendly atheist studio in Freethad Hall.

Freethought Hall is the National Office of the Freedom from Religion Foundation in Madison,

Wisconsin. And Free Thought Radio is the weekly production of FFRF, the Freedom from Religion

Foundation. If you're a member, thank you. And if not, please join us.

We want to get up to 50,000 members at least. We're about 41 right now, 41,000. And we work

to keep religion out of government and social policy as required and dictated by our

godless constitution. And we're also a gathering point for those of us who are

personally free from religion, whether you call yourself an atheist, an agnostic, or just a

nun spelled N-O-N-E-S. So check us out at f-frof.org.

In the second half of today's show, we're going to talk about a secretive right-wing religious conspiracy that has enormous power over our government and around the world.

Our guest will be Gareth Gore, author of the new book, Opus, The Cult of Dark Money, Human Trafficking, and Right, and right-wing conspiracy inside the Catholic Church.

And before that, we'll review the Christian coronation of President Trump using his own words,

...