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With your host, journalist and author, Dan Zupansky.

Good evening. The district attorney began his opening statement with,

If you don't know what hell is like, you're about to find out.

In 1979, Lawrence Biddecker and Roy Norris went on a rape and killing rampage.

The pliers, screwdrivers, hammers, sledgehammers, and ice picks they used on their victims

became their calling card and moniker, the toolbox killers. They were soon apprehended and convicted for their atrocities,

but for decades refused to reveal the location of their victim's bodies. More than two

decades later, criminologist Laura Brand had the opportunity to interview the sadistic pair as they sat behind bars,

probing the depths of their depravity, right up to the days of their deaths.

Over this relentless six-year period, Biddecker finally gave Brand what he had withheld from law enforcement and families alike.

The precise locations of two victims remains.

Brand's investigation tore open sealed police reports, court transcripts and witness accounts,

and unearthed brutal and shocking new findings, undisclosed

victims, forgotten evidence, and chilling new insights that had resurrected this nightmare

in unimaginable ways.

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