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Hey y'all, it's Lisa Harper, and we have decided that it has been such a hot summer

that we want to give you a Christmas gift right here.

And so this is a surprise, a gift of an episode. And it is a message that a lot of us

got to hear this amazing saint. She's brilliant. She has her PhD. She's a new friend of Backport's

Theology. And she gave this message this year at the Corigma Summit.

And it was, y'all, I'll tell you, it was in probably my top 20 messages about Jesus.

I've heard in my entire life, her name is Dr. Nicole Massey Martin.

And so this is our early Christmas gift to you. You're going to enjoy it. So I would encourage you to just sit and savor this one. If you're on the elliptical, finish your workout,

and then get off, prop your feet up, and lean back because you are going to want to be able to

engage your entire mind and heart into these life-giving words.

Again, this is Dr. Nicole Massey Martin, and this is a message that she shared with us,

encouraged all of us, just a few months ago at the 25 Karagna Summit.

I am so delighted to see each of you and to be here.

When I first met Lisa, I've known of her for a very long time.

I have all of her books.

I figured A, I didn't want to fan out by bringing all my books for her to sign,

and B, it would be another suitcase, and I kind of like to travel light. So I couldn't bring all of her books, but when we talked on the phone, I got off the phone, I told my husband,

I feel like I've been invited to step into God's River with a woman who's traveled in his presence. I feel like I was

standing in my own space and God said, no, come over here because the water's fun. And I absolutely

love Lisa. One of the other things I love about her is when I was growing up, my dad's a pastor,

was a pastor. he passed in 2022,

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