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the audience so we can teach more people the truth on all of these issues. Rick Green here with

David Barton and Tim Barton. Later in the program, Cynthia Scott will be with us to talk about

her book about celebrating God as our founder in America. So not only our founding

fathers, not only in fact we were founded on the Christian faith, but how God actually

ordained this nation to be a positive influence in the world. And as we've seen in the last

even hundred years, hundreds of millions of people that have been able to live in freedom

as a result of America's

impact on the world. So she'll be with us a little later to talk about that. Man.

So Rick, hang on. I got in a run for a minute. I just hear critics' voices going off in my mind.

You know, you made the comment that God ordained this nation. I can just hear people say, no, he didn't.

It just, you know,

well, if he didn't, then he's sitting in heaven saying, man, I never believed it turned out this way. I had no clue. You know, it's like saying God didn't know how this was going to turn out and didn't orchestrate things to do that. We believe that he does that. And so now you get a theological debate or you're Armenian or your Reformation, do you think it's pror-ordinated, whatever,

I just, I'm with you and I echo does that. And so now you get a theological debate or you're Armenian or your Reformation,

do you think it's preordinated, whatever. I just, I'm with you, and I echo what you said.

And for anybody who is a critic of the fact that God planned this, what do you think he's doing

now? Being surprised at the way it turned out after 250 years? I don't think so. Yeah, he's sitting

up there going, well, these Americans, man, they're doing a pretty good job. Maybe I ought to be watching them. No, I love, you know, Ronald Reagan used to say it this way. He said, I've always believed that God made it where between these two shores, there would be this special place that ultimately became America because of its geography and because of the way that it's, you know, why it was founded and the people that came here, it would end up being this incredible blessing of the world. So even Ronald Reagan, in the way that he described has said, God set this in motion and planned for this place to be that. And I always think about when I say that word ordained, you know, I think about, I don't know why, maybe the two words aren't even having the same route, but I think of a city council doing an ordinance for their area, right? It's like they're planning the area. They're actually putting in place of these different rules or whatever or how things are going to work. That's how I see the way that God raises up kings and sets down kings in the same way as nations.

Well, guys, this is one of the things that we've been telling for decades here at Wall Builders

is if you actually knew the story of America, whether it be go back to the pilgrims.

And of course, we can go back to Jamestown or Columbus.

Actually, let's go back to Columbus first because Columbus is the guy who says he was inspired by God.

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