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From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is now and then.

I'm Heather Cox Richardson, and I'm Joanne Freeman.

Today's topic is prompted by some semi-recent matter in the news, but as you'll hear,

it's going to be a familiar topic that we're going to approach in perhaps a less familiar way.

And the topic is religion in America, but we're not going to explicitly be talking about the

separation of church and state. We're going to be talking about this in a deeper kind of a

manner, and to give you a sense of what I'm talking about very recently, representative Lauren

Obert, called representative Ilhan Omar, a member of the G-Hod squad. I'm not going to go into

great depth on that. I'm not going to actually repeat the entire diet tribe there, but obviously

for a bunch of reasons that attracted a lot of attention, drew a lot of commentary, and still

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