And that tension between a desire that has been implanted by the living God and yet an impulse

on our own part to try and create redemption on our own has opened not only my eyes to the

reality of my own struggles, but has helped me gain just a deeper understanding of the kindness

and the patience but the fierce pursuit of Jesus and each of our lives.

Welcome to the Jesus Calling Podcast. Each one of us has a unique story to share and within

each of these complex stories many of us have experienced loss, heartache, shame and tragedy

which profoundly affect our lives. But once we begin to face our heartaches and realize

their effect on our lives, we can see the slow, steady pursuit of a God who only desires

our healing and wholeness. This week we'll be discussing the way that God cares about

each of our stories and is there to walk us through our trauma. With Dr. Dan Allender

and Kathy Lorsill, Founders of the Allender Center, and how we can act out of the new heart

he so lovingly restores to us with Pastor Andrew Farley.

First up, let's hear from Dr. Allender and Kathy Lorsill.

I'm Dan Allender and I have been a psychologist for the last feels like about 200 years, but

that's because in part I have the privilege of working with people who have known significant

trauma and heartache. And the privilege of being able to work with people who really

have suffered the dark side of living in a fallen world opens our eyes, at least it's

opened my eyes to the reality that we are truly crying out for redemption. And yet so often

we are deeply committed to trying to find it on our own.

Hi, I'm Kathy Lorsill and I am the co-founder of the Allender Center with Dan Allender and Becky.

We started the Allender Center a little over a decade ago and my background is an organizational

development and business process reengineering if you can believe it, but I got my master's in

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