‘God, Guns, and Sedition’ with Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware
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🗓️ 13 February 2024
⏱️ 59 minutes
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Summary
Unfortunately, Americans are certainly not strangers to far-right terrorism. From the 2015 mass murder at a historic Black church in Charleston, to the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, these horrific incidents are only the latest in a decades-long process, in which harmful conspiracy theories, radical ideologies, and hostility toward government come together to form a grave and increasing threat to democracy. In their book, “God, Guns, and Sedition: Far-Right Terrorism in America,” Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware tell the story of the rise of far-right terrorism—and explain how to counter it.
Lawfare Associate Editor Katherine Pompilio sat down with Hoffman and Ware to unpack their book. They discussed the historical trajectory of violent right-wing extremism, Donald Trump’s effect on these groups and the threat of far-right terrorism heading into the 2024 election, how to address the issue, and more.
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| 0:30.0 | In 2020 we had the election on I think the election was called on November 7th |
| 0:39.8 | so they had about two and a half months with which to respond in violence. |
| 0:45.0 | This time we have primaries, we have conventions, we have the vote itself, |
| 0:51.0 | we have all those other dates like January 6th. |
| 0:54.7 | Perhaps even more seriously though, we have court dates. |
| 0:57.8 | And the court dates are being used to fuel |
| 1:02.0 | this narrative of victimhood and martyrdom that extremists thrive off. |
| 1:10.6 | And so I think we're in a worse situation than we were in 2020 and 2021. |
| 1:15.0 | I'm Catherine Pompilio, Associate Editor of Law Fair, |
| 1:19.0 | and this is the Law Fair Podcast, February 13th, 2024. |
| 1:24.7 | Unfortunately, Americans are not strangers to far right terrorism. |
| 1:29.1 | From the 2015 mass murder at a historic black church in Charleston to the 2017 |
| 1:35.0 | unite the right rally in Charlottesville to the January 6th attack on the US |
| 1:39.0 | capital. These horrific incidents are only the latest in a decades long process in which harmful conspiracy theories, radical ideologies, and hostility toward government come together to form a grave and increasing threat to democracy. In their book, God, Guns, and |
| 1:55.9 | Sedition, Far Right Terrorism in America. Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware tell the story of the |
| 2:01.5 | rise of far right terrorism and explain how to counter it. |
| 2:06.1 | I sat down with Hoffman and Ware to unpack their book. |
| 2:09.2 | We discussed the historical trajectory of violent right-wing extremism. |
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