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The The Good afternoon.

Retrogrades and parish orphans, Timothy Gordon here with another episode of Rules

for Retrogrades.

Today, I bring you a friend of mine, someone who's writing I've admired for a long time.

I've interviewed him by sound power, but never by video power, Mr. John Zmirak, who has an excellent article up for the stream.

And I'm just, that's what we're going to talk about here today.

It's the perfect follow-up piece to my show with Dave and Stephen Harriet last time on Christians needing to own guns.

A quote, it's a big claim we made.

And John wrote the perfect follow-up piece.

It had nothing to do with us.

It was just happenstance, great minds thinking alike. John, thank you for coming

and joining us today. How are you? I'm good, Tim. Thanks so much. Yeah, the title of the article is

God Guns in the Government. And it's a long one. I aim to provide all the resources you need to explain

to your pastor or seminary professor or confused woke niece why Christians are committed to religious freedom and gun rights and how those two things actually grew up together.

They are twins and they grew up together in the bosom of Western civilization

as part and parcel of the Christian view of the human person.

Your approach is the dignitarian approach, and it's really interesting because I've never seen outside the writings of Madison, you know, father of the Bill of Rights, I'd never seen the dignitarian approach which couples in such an explicit manner, the First Amendment and the Second Amendment, except I was making the point last show when we were talking with Stephen Harriet and Dave.

You make the claim that human dignity, that same dignity which, which, um,

forswears a human being from taking innocent life, you know, that, particularly that of a baby in the womb,

is the same, one and the same, that persuares human beings from taking one

another's guns. It doesn't matter if you're an agent of the government, right? Can you explain

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