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hunters. security today. Hi and welcome to SpyCast. From the secret files of the International Spy Museum in Washington, D.C.

I'm Dr. Vince Hote, the Museum's historian and curator.

Every week, the museum brings you interesting conversations

with authors,

scholars, and practitioners who live in the world of global espionage.

Join us as we take a closer look at the secret world of intelligence.

This will be a little different theme, a little different mood than the last one.

Welcome everyone.

Welcome to Spycast, a live recording.

I guess that's somewhat oxymoronic,

but live recording of Spycast here at Politicon

in Pasadena, California. I am Vince

Houghton. I'm the historian and curator of the International Spy Museum in

Washington, DC. And with me is John Ronson, who is a Welsh journalist,

author, filmmaker, and radio producer.

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