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From WBEZ Chicago, this is Nerdette. I'm Greta Johnson. We did it. We made it to another weekend. This week, we are going to talk to the author of a new book called Woolfish, which is all about humans' complicated relationship with wolves and fear. When somebody says, oh, you're wolffish or you're hungry like a wolf. Like, unpack that. But first,

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We have WBEZ host and reporter Aricelli Gomez-L Donna. Areseli, hello. Hey, how's it going?

We also have NPR political correspondent Danielle Kurtzleben, Danielle, welcome back.

Hello, thank you so much. Okay, so I want to talk about something that's actually a couple of weeks old, but I just can't stop thinking about it. So the cut, which is New York Magazine, they came out with this list a couple weeks ago now of 140 modern etiquette rules. And I just can't stop thinking about it.

Some of the advice I can really get behind others. I like in theory, but not in practice.

Others I just kind of hate altogether. I think my least favorite might be that number 94, which says it's okay to email, text or DM anyone at any hour.

But I'm really curious. I mean, obviously, this is an extremely thorough list that spans

everything from work to relationships and friendships and all of the things.

Arselli, what did you think? So I was expecting different types of etiquettes, right?

So I was like, oh, okay, like your typical, like what fork to use it, whatever, right?

Like, I was expecting a little bit of that.

But I kind of realized that this list is, in my opinion, just a list of like how to be just a normal human, like a kind person.

Not to be an asshole. Yeah. Yeah. Like that was just like, oh, we have to write this one down or like, yeah. I think it was just like a lot of them I'm like, yeah, duh, I agree with.

A lot of the ones that I had questions about were just like, probably I don't need to know.

I don't need to know this one. Like there was one that was like about Loub. I'm like, we could have

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