Hey, everybody.

This short segment is called a go-to.

It refers back to this crazy thing we used to do at the end of our sorority meetings in college.

If you can believe that, it was called for the good of the order.

And it was a way to share something that had emerged over the course of the week,

which really was a bit of learning or thinking or feeling that was to everyone's benefit to share.

And so that's all we'll do here. Every Friday, we release a go-to, and we encourage you to share it with friends around the country.

We know that people use it as a way to stay in touch with their best friends across the country,

and of course, far-flung family members, wherever they might be.

And as for your local nearest and dearest,

consider it fodder for discussion over the

course of the weekend. This is Kelly Corrigan Wonders in our weekly segment called Go To.

Today's go-to is in reference to something that Amanda Ripley published on her substack in January.

If you've listened to the pod for a while, you know that I really hold in highest regard

this great thinker and former guest, Amanda Ripley.

Amanda has written brilliantly and directly about conflict for years. And she tells the story

in her substack about a young government worker who shows up at her door in distress because

everything she's worked for, the career she went to grad school at night for, the security

clearances, the fitness test is being upended by politics and fear. And Amanda uses this as a way to teach us something

about how high conflict works. So high conflict is when people kind of lose their minds,

like couples and nasty divorces who hurt their kids while trying to protect them. Or journalists who

get so righteous that they twist the facts or the statistics and they lose their audience,

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